Re: act on oil prices -- an interesting idea!

I thank you all for your thoughtful and thought provoking comments. I was not sorry for my rant yesterday, but I am today. I hope it came across as respectful although it did not accentuate the ways in which we can agree. And there are many. I agree with Fred  that conservation is of  the utmost importance. But once we start doing it the oil companies will respond by  increasing supply for waning demand so they will continue to rake it in.

 

Driving economically is great. Public transportaion is better and living close to work is also better. Does everyone know that there was once an intricate web of rail lines that went from Boston to Worcester, Springfield, Greenfield, Deerfield, amherst, that were privately run and were bought up by General Motors in the thirties and forfties and dismantled so we would have to buy cars? Do we understand that steel wheels on steel rails are the second highest in fuel efficiency, behind water transportation?

 

THe christain right has something going for it that we don't. That is devotion to their cause via "god's work." We need that kind of devotion to the future for our children and grandchildren that can have a beautiful clean place to raise their families. Did anyone else know that James Watt, the Secretary to the Interior under Ronald Reagan, said before Congress, "What is the point of conservation, when Christ will not come again until the last tree is felled?" This is what we are up against. We MUST get a grip on our government.

 

 

  I agree with Janet and Francois.  I love the idea of a $3 tax on gas.  But would the oil companies allow congress to pass it? Would W not veto it? It would reduce their profits. They don't like Chavez putting a tax on the Venezuelan oil to give health care to his needy. They're trying to control his government, too.

 

I feel priveleged to hear from,and be listened to,by such a group of thoughtful and realistic idealists as you. Please, let's stick together. We can make a difference. But I think it will stretch our comfort zones.

 

 I agree with Louelyn that we can and should avoid EXXON MOBIL gas stations. They will change their strategy. It still won't be good, but  we need to shape them up.

 

I also agree  with Donna that these terrorists are justifiably angry, so I'm on that NSA list too, as if I weren't  before. The prtice of Social Justice is Economic Justice. Why should the be so poor, why should they have nothing why should we have so much. We could feed the world since we have two-thirds of the world's grade "A" farmland, instead of letting them starve and paying the farmers not to farm.

 

 

 

This weekend we will have Arlinton Cemetery South here on South Beach, thousands of graves all over the beach on Ocean Drive in protest for this war for oil. I will send you pictures if you like.

 

Although we don't always agree, I hope we can concentrate on what we do agree on.

 

Very Truly Yours,

 

Tom

 

 

On 5/25/07, Janet Smith <janet@jlfsmithassociates.com> wrote:

I believe it was Francois Mitterrand  who once said that it was hard to feel
sorry for a country (the US) whose problems could be largely solved by a $3
a gallon (pick a good number for today) gasoline tax.  It's an interesting
thought if you start teasing out the implications - here are a few that I
can think of:

1. Funding for and vastly improved mass transit
2.  Revitalization of our railroads and reduction in long-haul trucking
3.  Reduced demand to keep building highways
4.  Funding for and availability of alternative energy sources
5.  Revitalization of the inner cities - people moved to the suburbs because
gas was cheap.  There's far less suburban sprawl in Europe.
6.  Reduced crime (it comes w/ the revitalization)
7.  Reduced packaging (much of which is from petro-chemicals) and waste
disposal problems.  Increased uses for recycled materials
8.  Economical vehicles (no more SUVs and pick-up trucks unless people
actually need to haul stuff in them)
9.  Reduced air pollution and lower medical expense due to respiratory
diseases aggravated by air pollution
10.  Improved physical fitness - people in the city walk more. - also will
lower medical costs
11.  Less ground water pollution from all the suburban sprawl and petro
chemicals used on lawns, etc.
12.  And the biggie - abatement of global warming

So I'm with Donna - keep raising those prices.  This is a limited resource
and we should treat it as such.  Just because it's not going to run out in
our lifetimes doesn't't mean we get to use it all up.  And - it's caused a
lot of problems that need fixing.

My only regret is that the high price is not going to address some of these
needs, but rather is lining the pockets of the refiners, oil companies and
producing nations' elite.  Nevertheless, some of the effect will be the same
as private individuals and industry respond to the increased cost.  We will
change our behaviors and that can't be all bad.

The notion that we are entitled to or should load our kids in a big SUV and
then drive from one end of the mall to the other is ludicrous.  Many of us
have already figured this out and don't need the lesson.  For the rest -
eventually they'll respond if the price keeps going up.

One footnote - this is a very inflationary situation as the high price of
fuel will trickle down through the entire economy and result in higher costs
for all goods and most services.  This will surely hurt the poorest among us
the worst and can have a serious impact on the economy (coupled w/ paying
for the war).

I hope you don't mind my contribution to this discussion.

Janet Smith


Subject: Re: act on oil prices -- an interesting idea!


I agree with Fred.  Our gas prices are TOO LOW! And way too many people are
still buying SUVs and pick up trucks for which they have absolutely no use
except as image enhancers. Too many people are choosing to live far away
from their jobs. This has got to stop. Either it will stop voluntarily (not
very likely, given our entitlement mentality) or it will stop when gas gets
so expensive that people no longer have the option of driving gas guzzlers
and making long commutes.

It is our entitlement mentality that makes us "Ugly Americans" and the
target of justifiably resentful terrorists. (Oops, I guess I just added to
my FBI file with that "unpatriotic" remark.) It is our excessive gasoline
use that forces us to either create cozy alliances with repressive regimes,
the way we used to, or to just invade and occupy the countries that happen
to have "our" oil under "their" sand, the way the Halliburton administration

is currently doing.

Donna

>>> GAS WAR - an idea that WILL work
>
> I continue to be offended (sorry) by all of the schemes to avoid
> paying what we should really be paying for gasoline.  Europe (which,
> in most countries, does not subsidize the oil industry the way the US
> does) tends to pay well over $5.00 USD per gallon (in most countries),
> which is much closer to the true cost of gasoline production.  The
> only "true scheme" to pay less for a dwindling resource is to
> CONSERVE.
>
> George W said that Americans are addicted to oil (the only thing I can
> remember agreeing with George Bush about).  And, it seems the ~only~
> way Americans are ~ever~ going to conserve is to be forced to do so by
> paying what we really should be paying, and to drive vehicles that are
> more appropriate for the task at hand and for the sake of the world.
> Some people do need to drive monstrous vehicles, but those people
> should be willing to pay for that use - most of of could and should be
> driving vehicles that are much more fuel efficient.  We should not be
> proud of how big our American vehicles are - we should be embarrassed.
>
> Much more research and development should go into development of
> alternative sources of automotive energy, and the funding for that
> could and should come from increased gasoline taxes earmarked for such
> R&D.  The US lags behind much of the world in alternative energy
> efforts simply because we never have to really do anything about our
> gluttony for fossil fuels.  It seems the only times in US history that
> any serious discussion over energy have occurred are those times when
> we were forced to pay higher (truer) costs or were forced to worry
> about where are next tank of precious gasoline is going to come from.
>
> Although American make up only about 5% percent of the world's
> population, we consume over 25% of the world's energy.  Is this "OK"?
>
> Yes - we should all be "hurting" the Big Oil companies, by buying
> ~less~ fuel from ~all~ of them ~every~ day of the week.
>
> I'm sorry for the rant (sort of...).
>
> Fred
>
>

Creating a better world

Thanks to everyone for your comments on my recent e-mails.  In his book The Left Hand of God:  Taking Back Our Country from the Religious Right, Rabbi Michael Lerner makes the compelling argument that self-described progressives have more in common with conservatives than we realize.   He argues that the appeal of the right is that they make people feel good about themselves.  Progressives may have insightful analysis, but offer no redemption, let's say to the white heterosexual male who bears the burden of slavery, genocide of Native Americans, corporate globalization and so on.  What is needed instead is a common and positive vision that can unite us against the financial elite, who ae using our children as cannon fodder.

In the documentary "The End of Oil," it is revealed that of the thirty oil producing nations, fifteen are past peak oil, in other words producing less oil today than at their peak production.  The consequences of that are increasingly careless and earth destroying means of extracting oil and resource wars with other human beings.  That is the midst of this reality, one company, Exxon Mobil, has made greater profits than any company in history, is disturbing to a broad spectrum of people.   That common belief can serve to unite us, even as we look for means to conserve energy and develop alternatives.

Donna hit upon what I think is one of the major issues with regard to conservation -- that so many of us work far away from where we live.   The impracticality of abandoning millions of suburban homes and finding places in the city, however, is a problem.  But I think the situation is more hopeful than that.   The vast majority of service workers -- waitresses, home health workers, etc. -- do work close to home.   Typically, those of us who work in offices do not.  Telecommuting needs to be pushed as a conservation issue.   Many more people could work at home than who are currently doing so.  The reasons for keeping us in city offices has more to do with power and control than anything else.   This would not address the work lives of all of us who work far from home, but certainly a huge number of us.  And the conservation impact would be tremendous.

I would like to end this missive with my repeated plea to Massachusetts residents for your support for House Bill 562, to protect our kids from military recruiters.   This could be such an easy victory, if our state politicians hear from large numbers of their constituents.   Please consider doing this and telling all your friends.

RE: act on oil prices -- an interesting idea!

I believe it was Francois Mitterrand who once said that it was hard to feel
sorry for a country (the US) whose problems could be largely solved by a $3
a gallon (pick a good number for today) gasoline tax. It's an interesting
thought if you start teasing out the implications - here are a few that I
can think of:

1. Funding for and vastly improved mass transit
2. Revitalization of our railroads and reduction in long-haul trucking
3. Reduced demand to keep building highways
4. Funding for and availability of alternative energy sources
5. Revitalization of the inner cities - people moved to the suburbs because
gas was cheap. There's far less suburban sprawl in Europe.
6. Reduced crime (it comes w/ the revitalization)
7. Reduced packaging (much of which is from petro-chemicals) and waste
disposal problems. Increased uses for recycled materials
8. Economical vehicles (no more SUVs and pick-up trucks unless people
actually need to haul stuff in them)
9. Reduced air pollution and lower medical expense due to respiratory
diseases aggravated by air pollution
10. Improved physical fitness - people in the city walk more. - also will
lower medical costs
11. Less ground water pollution from all the suburban sprawl and petro
chemicals used on lawns, etc.
12. And the biggie - abatement of global warming

So I'm with Donna - keep raising those prices. This is a limited resource
and we should treat it as such. Just because it's not going to run out in
our lifetimes doesn't't mean we get to use it all up. And - it's caused a
lot of problems that need fixing.

My only regret is that the high price is not going to address some of these
needs, but rather is lining the pockets of the refiners, oil companies and
producing nations' elite. Nevertheless, some of the effect will be the same
as private individuals and industry respond to the increased cost. We will
change our behaviors and that can't be all bad.

The notion that we are entitled to or should load our kids in a big SUV and
then drive from one end of the mall to the other is ludicrous. Many of us
have already figured this out and don't need the lesson. For the rest -
eventually they'll respond if the price keeps going up.

One footnote - this is a very inflationary situation as the high price of
fuel will trickle down through the entire economy and result in higher costs
for all goods and most services. This will surely hurt the poorest among us
the worst and can have a serious impact on the economy (coupled w/ paying
for the war).

I hope you don't mind my contribution to this discussion.

Janet Smith

Subject: Re: act on oil prices -- an interesting idea!

I agree with Fred. Our gas prices are TOO LOW! And way too many people are
still buying SUVs and pick up trucks for which they have absolutely no use
except as image enhancers. Too many people are choosing to live far away
from their jobs. This has got to stop. Either it will stop voluntarily (not
very likely, given our entitlement mentality) or it will stop when gas gets
so expensive that people no longer have the option of driving gas guzzlers
and making long commutes.

It is our entitlement mentality that makes us "Ugly Americans" and the
target of justifiably resentful terrorists. (Oops, I guess I just added to
my FBI file with that "unpatriotic" remark.) It is our excessive gasoline
use that forces us to either create cozy alliances with repressive regimes,
the way we used to, or to just invade and occupy the countries that happen
to have "our" oil under "their" sand, the way the Halliburton administration

is currently doing.

Donna

>>> GAS WAR - an idea that WILL work
>
> I continue to be offended (sorry) by all of the schemes to avoid
> paying what we should really be paying for gasoline. Europe (which,
> in most countries, does not subsidize the oil industry the way the US
> does) tends to pay well over $5.00 USD per gallon (in most countries),
> which is much closer to the true cost of gasoline production. The
> only "true scheme" to pay less for a dwindling resource is to
> CONSERVE.
>
> George W said that Americans are addicted to oil (the only thing I can
> remember agreeing with George Bush about). And, it seems the ~only~
> way Americans are ~ever~ going to conserve is to be forced to do so by
> paying what we really should be paying, and to drive vehicles that are
> more appropriate for the task at hand and for the sake of the world.
> Some people do need to drive monstrous vehicles, but those people
> should be willing to pay for that use - most of of could and should be
> driving vehicles that are much more fuel efficient. We should not be
> proud of how big our American vehicles are - we should be embarrassed.
>
> Much more research and development should go into development of
> alternative sources of automotive energy, and the funding for that
> could and should come from increased gasoline taxes earmarked for such
> R&D. The US lags behind much of the world in alternative energy
> efforts simply because we never have to really do anything about our
> gluttony for fossil fuels. It seems the only times in US history that
> any serious discussion over energy have occurred are those times when
> we were forced to pay higher (truer) costs or were forced to worry
> about where are next tank of precious gasoline is going to come from.
>
> Although American make up only about 5% percent of the world's
> population, we consume over 25% of the world's energy. Is this "OK"?
>
> Yes - we should all be "hurting" the Big Oil companies, by buying
> ~less~ fuel from ~all~ of them ~every~ day of the week.
>
> I'm sorry for the rant (sort of...).
>
> Fred
>
>

Re: act on oil prices -- an interesting idea!

What a dilemma though. Yes, higher prices would perhaps lead to a change in practices toward conservation. That will take some time--can't turn the wheel of the ship Queen Mary and have any immediate response--takes a while (after all the practices have taken a while to be established as well). In the meantime, as we wait for larger market forces to bring about affordable cleaner alternatives....

 

....the nature of this financial curb on consumption is regressive: those who can afford the big luxury cars have way more expendable income to keep filling them up, but those on limited means will be the ones who feel the bite first, hardest and prohibitively. The working poor will be much more drastically affected by higher gas prices. If we had adequate mass transportation outside of urban areas this might not matter as much, a la Europe where gas prices are so high.

 

Policies based largely on economic impacts will always benefit the more priveleged and wealthy--those who have the greatest influence as well on public policy. So we who are priveleged perhaps need to speak to more of longer term enlightened self interest of survival if not out of motivation for helping others by self sacrifice.

 

Grant Barber

St. Luke's

-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Donna Moulton" <donnamoulton@cox.net>

> I agree with Fred. Our gas prices are TOO LOW! And way too many people are
> still buying SUVs and pick up trucks for which they have absolutely no use
> except as image enhancers. Too many people are choosing to live far away
> from their jobs. This has got to stop. Either it will stop voluntarily (not
> very likely, given our entitlement mentality) or it will stop when gas gets
> so expensive that people no longer have the option of driving gas guzzlers
> and making long commutes.
>
> It is our entitlement mentality that makes us "Ugly Americans" and the
> target of justifiably resentful terrorists. (Oops, I guess I just added to
> my FBI file with that "unpatriotic" remark.) It is our excessive gasoline
> ; use that forces us to either create cozy alliances with repressive regimes,
> the way we used to, or to just invade and occupy the countries that happen
> to have "our" oil under "their" sand, the way the Halliburton administration
> is currently doing.
>
> Donna
>
> >>> GAS WAR - an idea that WILL work
> >
> > I continue to be offended (sorry) by all of the schemes to avoid
> > paying what we should really be paying for gasoline. Europe (which,
> > in most countries, does not subsidize the oil industry the way the US
> > does) tends to pay well over $5.00 USD per gallon (in most countries),
> > which is much closer to the true cost of gasoline production. The
> > only "true scheme" to pay less for a dwindling resource is to
> > CONSERVE.
> >
> > George W said that Americans are addicted to oil (the only thing I can
> > remember agreeing with George Bush about). And, it seems the ~only~
> > way Americans are ~ever~ going to conserve is to be forced to do so by
> > paying what we really should be paying, and to drive vehicles that are
> > more appropriate for the task at hand and for the sake of the world.
> > Some people do need to drive monstrous vehicles, but those people
> > should be willing to pay for that use - most of of could and should be
> > driving vehicles that are much more fuel efficient. We should not be
> > proud of how big our American vehicles are - we should be embarrassed.
> >
> > Much more research and development should go into development of
> > alternative sources of automotive energy, and the funding for that
> > could and should come from increased gasoline taxes earmarked for such
> > R&D. The US lags behind much of the world in alternative en ergy
> > efforts simply because we never have to really do anything about our
> > gluttony for fossil fuels. It seems the only times in US history that
> > any serious discussion over energy have occurred are those times when
> > we were forced to pay higher (truer) costs or were forced to worry
> > about where are next tank of precious gasoline is going to come from.
> >
> > Although American make up only about 5% percent of the world's
> > population, we consume over 25% of the world's energy. Is this "OK"?
> >
> > Yes - we should all be "hurting" the Big Oil companies, by buying
> > ~less~ fuel from ~all~ of them ~every~ day of the week.
> >
> > I'm sorry for the rant (sort of...).
> >
> > Fred
> >
> >
>
>

RE: Vigil Advisory, Memorial Day weekend, 2007

Eileen, et al,
I will stand vigil w/Eileen on Monday, from 12 to 1 PM.

Thank You,
Donnamarie (Kavanah)

P.S. Call me Eileen....I can come pick you up.

-----Original Message-----
From: EILEEN MCELHINNEY [mailto:way2eileen@verizon.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 8:39 AM
To: Fred; THEODORE A. CURTIN
Cc: Wil Curtis; Virginia Wilcox; Ted & Grace Curtin; Ted & Barbara Bosen;
Steve Kerr; Sarah Clark; Sarah Altherr; Ruth Blake; Ruth Betty Shippee;
ROBERT LEAVER; Paula Marcoux; Melissa Bowering; McGonagle, Cecelia; Mary
Farrell; Marie Fehlow; Louellyn Lambros; Lois & Doug Post; Larry Erickson;
John Bates; John & Dianne Pinto; Jennifer Yaeger; Jeanne Lane; Jean O'Brien;
Jan Nigro; Irene Caldwell; Gail Begley; Frank Mand; Fae Smelser; Ellen
Snoeyenbos; Elaine Ganska; Donnamarie Kavanah; Donna Camy; Diane Kuhn; Delia
Cosentino; Claire Power; Christy Roman; Bob & Lois Saba; Ben McKelway;
Barbara P. Ward; Barbara Brooks; Ann Archambault; Aileen Chase; Blog for
Peace
Subject: Re: Vigil Advisory, Memorial Day weekend, 2007

I will do 12 to 1. Hopefully, not all by myself ! ! ! Eileen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred" <fred@cetussoft.com>
To: "THEODORE A. CURTIN" <tacurtin@verizon.net>
Cc: "Wil Curtis" <bealorax@comcast.net>; "Virginia Wilcox"
<sailnantascot@yahoo.com>; "Ted & Grace Curtin" <tacurtin@1949.usna.com>;
"Ted & Barbara Bosen" <bosenlaw@aol.com>; "Steve Kerr" <rockdoc4u@aol.com>;
"Sarah Clark" <revsarahclark@hotmail.com>; "Sarah Altherr"
<spa41@comcast.net>; "Ruth Blake" <rudybean@yahoo.com>; "Ruth Betty Shippee"

<rbbob@capecod.net>; "ROBERT LEAVER" <alexrobinedith@verizon.net>; "Paula
Marcoux" <wholefoods@juno.com>; "Melissa Bowering"
<melissabowering@yahoo.com>; "McGonagle, Cecelia"
<c.mcgonagle@umassmed.edu>; "Mary Farrell" <marpfarr@hotmail.com>; "Marie
Fehlow" <mpfehlow@juno.com>; "Louellyn Lambros" <llambros46@hotmail.com>;
"Lois & Doug Post" <dougandlois@mac.com>; "Larry Erickson"
<whoviating@aol.com>; "John Bates" <alephomega@hotmail.com>; "John & Dianne
Pinto" <deejonp@earthlink.net>; "Jennifer Yaeger"
<jarensonyaeger@post.harvard.edu>; "Jeanne Lane" <JeanneLane@msn.com>; "Jean

O'Brien" <obrienedu@msn.com>; "Jan Nigro" <jannigro@hotmail.com>; "Irene
Caldwell" <ivcaldwell@yahoo.com>; "Gail Begley" <gsbegley@cape.com>; "Frank
Mand" <dogd@aol.com>; "Fae Smelser" <zenithnadir@msn.com>; "Ellen
Snoeyenbos" <ellens8@yahoo.com>; "Elaine Ganska" <grsmeg@aol.com>; "Eileen
McElhinney" <way2eileen@verizon.net>; "Donnamarie Kavanah"
<donnamarie9@comcast.net>; "Donna Camy" <marie3797a@aol.com>; "Diane Kuhn"
<diane@cetussoft.com>; "Delia Cosentino" <dacosentino@earthlink.net>;
"Claire Power" <power_claire@hotmail.com>; "Christy Roman"
<christy02360@yahoo.com>; "Bob & Lois Saba" <resaba@verizon.net>; "Ben
McKelway" <bmckelwa@hotmail.com>; "Barbara P. Ward" <bpw312@aol.com>;
"Barbara Brooks" <brooksiebabe@adelphia.net>; "Ann Archambault"
<annarchambault@yahoo.com>; "Aileen Chase" <aschase@adelphia.net>; "Blog for

Peace" <ffmand.tacurtin@blogger.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: Vigil Advisory, Memorial Day weekend, 2007

>> Please let me know by e-mail (reply to all) when it will be
>> convenient for you to stand vigil.
>
> Hi, Ted.
>
> Diane and I will stand in vigil from 11:00 to 12:00. OK? Thanks.
>
> Fred
>

Re: act on oil prices -- an interesting idea!

I agree with Fred. Our gas prices are TOO LOW! And way too many people are
still buying SUVs and pick up trucks for which they have absolutely no use
except as image enhancers. Too many people are choosing to live far away
from their jobs. This has got to stop. Either it will stop voluntarily (not
very likely, given our entitlement mentality) or it will stop when gas gets
so expensive that people no longer have the option of driving gas guzzlers
and making long commutes.

It is our entitlement mentality that makes us "Ugly Americans" and the
target of justifiably resentful terrorists. (Oops, I guess I just added to
my FBI file with that "unpatriotic" remark.) It is our excessive gasoline
use that forces us to either create cozy alliances with repressive regimes,
the way we used to, or to just invade and occupy the countries that happen
to have "our" oil under "their" sand, the way the Halliburton administration
is currently doing.

Donna

>>> GAS WAR - an idea that WILL work
>
> I continue to be offended (sorry) by all of the schemes to avoid
> paying what we should really be paying for gasoline. Europe (which,
> in most countries, does not subsidize the oil industry the way the US
> does) tends to pay well over $5.00 USD per gallon (in most countries),
> which is much closer to the true cost of gasoline production. The
> only "true scheme" to pay less for a dwindling resource is to
> CONSERVE.
>
> George W said that Americans are addicted to oil (the only thing I can
> remember agreeing with George Bush about). And, it seems the ~only~
> way Americans are ~ever~ going to conserve is to be forced to do so by
> paying what we really should be paying, and to drive vehicles that are
> more appropriate for the task at hand and for the sake of the world.
> Some people do need to drive monstrous vehicles, but those people
> should be willing to pay for that use - most of of could and should be
> driving vehicles that are much more fuel efficient. We should not be
> proud of how big our American vehicles are - we should be embarrassed.
>
> Much more research and development should go into development of
> alternative sources of automotive energy, and the funding for that
> could and should come from increased gasoline taxes earmarked for such
> R&D. The US lags behind much of the world in alternative energy
> efforts simply because we never have to really do anything about our
> gluttony for fossil fuels. It seems the only times in US history that
> any serious discussion over energy have occurred are those times when
> we were forced to pay higher (truer) costs or were forced to worry
> about where are next tank of precious gasoline is going to come from.
>
> Although American make up only about 5% percent of the world's
> population, we consume over 25% of the world's energy. Is this "OK"?
>
> Yes - we should all be "hurting" the Big Oil companies, by buying
> ~less~ fuel from ~all~ of them ~every~ day of the week.
>
> I'm sorry for the rant (sort of...).
>
> Fred
>
>

RE: Vigil Advisory, Memorial Day weekend, 2007

Bob and I would like to do 10:30 - 11:30, or 10:00 - 11:00 (whichever is
better for everyone). We have a family commitment in the afternoon.

Lois Saba

-----Original Message-----
From: EILEEN MCELHINNEY [mailto:way2eileen@verizon.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 24, 2007 8:39 AM
To: Fred; THEODORE A. CURTIN
Cc: Wil Curtis; Virginia Wilcox; Ted & Grace Curtin; Ted & Barbara Bosen;
Steve Kerr; Sarah Clark; Sarah Altherr; Ruth Blake; Ruth Betty Shippee;
ROBERT LEAVER; Paula Marcoux; Melissa Bowering; McGonagle, Cecelia; Mary
Farrell; Marie Fehlow; Louellyn Lambros; Lois & Doug Post; Larry Erickson;
John Bates; John & Dianne Pinto; Jennifer Yaeger; Jeanne Lane; Jean O'Brien;
Jan Nigro; Irene Caldwell; Gail Begley; Frank Mand; Fae Smelser; Ellen
Snoeyenbos; Elaine Ganska; Donnamarie Kavanah; Donna Camy; Diane Kuhn; Delia
Cosentino; Claire Power; Christy Roman; Bob & Lois Saba; Ben McKelway;
Barbara P. Ward; Barbara Brooks; Ann Archambault; Aileen Chase; Blog for
Peace
Subject: Re: Vigil Advisory, Memorial Day weekend, 2007

I will do 12 to 1. Hopefully, not all by myself ! ! ! Eileen

----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred" <fred@cetussoft.com>
To: "THEODORE A. CURTIN" <tacurtin@verizon.net>
Cc: "Wil Curtis" <bealorax@comcast.net>; "Virginia Wilcox"
<sailnantascot@yahoo.com>; "Ted & Grace Curtin" <tacurtin@1949.usna.com>;
"Ted & Barbara Bosen" <bosenlaw@aol.com>; "Steve Kerr" <rockdoc4u@aol.com>;
"Sarah Clark" <revsarahclark@hotmail.com>; "Sarah Altherr"
<spa41@comcast.net>; "Ruth Blake" <rudybean@yahoo.com>; "Ruth Betty Shippee"
<rbbob@capecod.net>; "ROBERT LEAVER" <alexrobinedith@verizon.net>; "Paula
Marcoux" <wholefoods@juno.com>; "Melissa Bowering"
<melissabowering@yahoo.com>; "McGonagle, Cecelia"
<c.mcgonagle@umassmed.edu>; "Mary Farrell" <marpfarr@hotmail.com>; "Marie
Fehlow" <mpfehlow@juno.com>; "Louellyn Lambros" <llambros46@hotmail.com>;
"Lois & Doug Post" <dougandlois@mac.com>; "Larry Erickson"
<whoviating@aol.com>; "John Bates" <alephomega@hotmail.com>; "John & Dianne
Pinto" <deejonp@earthlink.net>; "Jennifer Yaeger"
<jarensonyaeger@post.harvard.edu>; "Jeanne Lane" <JeanneLane@msn.com>; "Jean
O'Brien" <obrienedu@msn.com>; "Jan Nigro" <jannigro@hotmail.com>; "Irene
Caldwell" <ivcaldwell@yahoo.com>; "Gail Begley" <gsbegley@cape.com>; "Frank
Mand" <dogd@aol.com>; "Fae Smelser" <zenithnadir@msn.com>; "Ellen
Snoeyenbos" <ellens8@yahoo.com>; "Elaine Ganska" <grsmeg@aol.com>; "Eileen
McElhinney" <way2eileen@verizon.net>; "Donnamarie Kavanah"
<donnamarie9@comcast.net>; "Donna Camy" <marie3797a@aol.com>; "Diane Kuhn"
<diane@cetussoft.com>; "Delia Cosentino" <dacosentino@earthlink.net>;
"Claire Power" <power_claire@hotmail.com>; "Christy Roman"
<christy02360@yahoo.com>; "Bob & Lois Saba" <resaba@verizon.net>; "Ben
McKelway" <bmckelwa@hotmail.com>; "Barbara P. Ward" <bpw312@aol.com>;
"Barbara Brooks" <brooksiebabe@adelphia.net>; "Ann Archambault"
<annarchambault@yahoo.com>; "Aileen Chase" <aschase@adelphia.net>; "Blog for
Peace" <ffmand.tacurtin@blogger.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: Vigil Advisory, Memorial Day weekend, 2007

>> Please let me know by e-mail (reply to all) when it will be
>> convenient for you to stand vigil.
>
> Hi, Ted.
>
> Diane and I will stand in vigil from 11:00 to 12:00. OK? Thanks.
>
> Fred
>

Re: Vigil Advisory, Memorial Day weekend, 2007

OK, Fred& Diane, you're on the watch list.

Ted
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred" <fred@cetussoft.com>
To: "THEODORE A. CURTIN" <tacurtin@verizon.net>
Cc: "Wil Curtis" <bealorax@comcast.net>; "Virginia Wilcox"
<sailnantascot@yahoo.com>; "Ted & Grace Curtin" <tacurtin@1949.usna.com>;
"Ted & Barbara Bosen" <bosenlaw@aol.com>; "Steve Kerr" <rockdoc4u@aol.com>;
"Sarah Clark" <revsarahclark@hotmail.com>; "Sarah Altherr"
<spa41@comcast.net>; "Ruth Blake" <rudybean@yahoo.com>; "Ruth Betty Shippee"
<rbbob@capecod.net>; "ROBERT LEAVER" <alexrobinedith@verizon.net>; "Paula
Marcoux" <wholefoods@juno.com>; "Melissa Bowering"
<melissabowering@yahoo.com>; "McGonagle, Cecelia"
<c.mcgonagle@umassmed.edu>; "Mary Farrell" <marpfarr@hotmail.com>; "Marie
Fehlow" <mpfehlow@juno.com>; "Louellyn Lambros" <llambros46@hotmail.com>;
"Lois & Doug Post" <dougandlois@mac.com>; "Larry Erickson"
<whoviating@aol.com>; "John Bates" <alephomega@hotmail.com>; "John & Dianne
Pinto" <deejonp@earthlink.net>; "Jennifer Yaeger"
<jarensonyaeger@post.harvard.edu>; "Jeanne Lane" <JeanneLane@msn.com>; "Jean
O'Brien" <obrienedu@msn.com>; "Jan Nigro" <jannigro@hotmail.com>; "Irene
Caldwell" <ivcaldwell@yahoo.com>; "Gail Begley" <gsbegley@cape.com>; "Frank
Mand" <dogd@aol.com>; "Fae Smelser" <zenithnadir@msn.com>; "Ellen
Snoeyenbos" <ellens8@yahoo.com>; "Elaine Ganska" <grsmeg@aol.com>; "Eileen
McElhinney" <way2eileen@verizon.net>; "Donnamarie Kavanah"
<donnamarie9@comcast.net>; "Donna Camy" <marie3797a@aol.com>; "Diane Kuhn"
<diane@cetussoft.com>; "Delia Cosentino" <dacosentino@earthlink.net>;
"Claire Power" <power_claire@hotmail.com>; "Christy Roman"
<christy02360@yahoo.com>; "Bob & Lois Saba" <resaba@verizon.net>; "Ben
McKelway" <bmckelwa@hotmail.com>; "Barbara P. Ward" <bpw312@aol.com>;
"Barbara Brooks" <brooksiebabe@adelphia.net>; "Ann Archambault"
<annarchambault@yahoo.com>; "Aileen Chase" <aschase@adelphia.net>; "Blog for
Peace" <ffmand.tacurtin@blogger.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 23, 2007 8:34 PM
Subject: Re: Vigil Advisory, Memorial Day weekend, 2007

>> Please let me know by e-mail (reply to all) when it will be
>> convenient for you to stand vigil.
>
> Hi, Ted.
>
> Diane and I will stand in vigil from 11:00 to 12:00. OK? Thanks.
>
> Fred
>

Re: Vigil Advisory, Memorial Day weekend, 2007

> Please let me know by e-mail (reply to all) when it will be
> convenient for you to stand vigil.

Hi, Ted.

Diane and I will stand in vigil from 11:00 to 12:00. OK? Thanks.

Fred

Vigil Advisory, Memorial Day weekend, 2007

Dear Friends in Peace,

 

We have general acceptance of the plan to vigil on the Rte 3 overpasses on Monday, May 28, Memorial Day as observed. Accordingly, we will not hold our normal vigil in Shirley Square on Saturday noon.

 

Having heard no definite response to my suggestion that we try to cover more than one overpass, we plan to stand vigil on the Summer St overpass, as we did before.

 

Suggestion has been made to extend the hours of vigil beyond the two hours originally proposed, in order to expose the vigil to more motorists.

 

Accordingly, I propose that we plan to vigil from 10:00 AM to 4:00 PM on Monday and would ask that each of us vigilers plan to spend an hour during that time.  Please let me know by e-mail (reply to all) when it will be convenient for you to stand vigil.  Grace and I will begin at 10:00.  We will replace one another as the day goes on.  There will, of course, be overlapping - the more the better.  At 4:00, I'll return to the overpass to retrieve the signs.  We are making three new signs which read "Remember over 3400 killed in Iraq" in very large letters.  We will also bring our old signs which read "Peace" and "Talk Peace Now".  We feel that these signs will be sufficient...and appropriate.

 

Looking forward to seeing you on the overpass on Monday.

 

Peace,

 

Ted

 

 

Re: act on oil prices -- an interesting idea!

We pay less for oil in the U.S.  than Europe does, because we use so much more than they do. Our consumption is vast by their standard, so oil companies make fortunes by the quantities we guzzle. Our government, which is run by the oil companies, refuses to enforce cafe standards because there's plenty of oil left to sell and they're going to  sell every last drop, dammit, global warming and all! It's about profits. It has NOTHING to do with actual cost. It has to do with PRICE GOUGING! It has to do with WINDFALL PROFITS for Western Corporations that take all fo the vast natural resources from  countries like Nigeria, paying off their puppet governments and leaving their people starving! They are making enough money to buy ANY government, OURS for instance!!

 

Conservation is GREAT, now and always! But should we let these rich bastards get away with such ENORMOUS WINFDFALLS?

 

Not sorry for this rant! Please sign the petition to outlaw price gouging by oil companies!

 

http://pol.moveon.org/stoppricegouging

 

Tom

 

On 5/23/07, Beal, Janine <Janine.Beal@mercer.com> wrote:

This is my work email address, please remove me from the mailing list.


Subject: Re: act on oil prices -- an interesting idea!

> Take a look at the following and consider acting upon it and passing
it
> on....    I think the potential for this idea is tremendous.    It was
> sent to me by an extremely conservative aunt, making me think that the
> appeal of the idea cuts across a wide political spectrum.

>> GAS WAR - an idea that WILL work

I continue to be offended (sorry) by all of the schemes to avoid
paying what we should really be paying for gasoline.  Europe (which,
in most countries, does not subsidize the oil industry the way the US
does) tends to pay well over $5.00 USD per gallon (in most countries),
which is much closer to the true cost of gasoline production.  The
only "true scheme" to pay less for a dwindling resource is to
CONSERVE.

George W said that Americans are addicted to oil (the only thing I can
remember agreeing with George Bush about).  And, it seems the ~only~
way Americans are ~ever~ going to conserve is to be forced to do so by
paying what we really should be paying, and to drive vehicles that are
more appropriate for the task at hand and for the sake of the world.
Some people do need to drive monstrous vehicles, but those people
should be willing to pay for that use - most of of could and should be
driving vehicles that are much more fuel efficient.  We should not be
proud of how big our American vehicles are - we should be embarrassed.

Much more research and development should go into development of
alternative sources of automotive energy, and the funding for that
could and should come from increased gasoline taxes earmarked for such
R&D.  The US lags behind much of the world in alternative energy
efforts simply because we never have to really do anything about our
gluttony for fossil fuels.  It seems the only times in US history that
any serious discussion over energy have occurred are those times when
we were forced to pay higher (truer) costs or were forced to worry
about where are next tank of precious gasoline is going to come from.

Although American make up only about 5% percent of the world's
population, we consume over 25% of the world's energy.  Is this "OK"?

Yes - we should all be "hurting" the Big Oil companies, by buying
~less~ fuel from ~all~ of them ~every~ day of the week.

I'm sorry for the rant (sort of...).

Fred

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Re: Clarification: act on oil prices

I'm buying from Citgo as well. I haven't bought from Exxon Mobil for years! Conservation is important but does that mean we should let them get away with Price Gouging in the meantime? They are all price gouging! They've gotten away with it since Nixon's oil embargo. There is a bill before Congress now to make Gas Price Gouging a federal offense punishable by prison. 160,000 people have signed  a petition in the last two days, in favor of this legislation. The Oil companies, you can imagine, are opposed and fighting  with their big money lobbyists. Please click on the link and sign the petition. This war is about oil and profiteering, in case we don't already know that. Please click on the link below and sign the petition.

 

http://pol.moveon.org/stoppricegouging/
 

Thank you,

 

Tom

On 5/23/07, Louellyn.Lambros@bos.frb.org <Louellyn.Lambros@bos.frb.org > wrote:

I have received a couple of responses to my e-mail suggesting that rather than being concerned about gasoline prices, we should be focusing our energy on conservation and alternative energy.   I think that the point being made is exceptionally important and that conservation and alternative energy should be first and foremost in our minds.

At the same time, Exxon Mobil has been the main beneficiary of the Iraq War.   Under Saddam Hussein, the price and supply of oil was very unstable, and now, since the occupation, with the oil industry under foreign control, Exxon Mobil has made record profits.

I personally am buying Venezuelan gasoline  from Citgo.   The ambassador of Venezuela was on Democracy, Now!  in April talking about the new initiatives around oil scheduled to take affect May 1st.  They have restructured their oil industry such that, while inviting foreign investment, there is always an interest of over 50% that goes to Venezuela.   In cases where a current foreign investor would lose with this deal, they would be compensated, as part of the transition.  Of the 32 foreign companies involved, in one way or another, only one raised objections... Exxon Mobil.  And they have put a lot of energy into efforts to vilify Hugo Chavez, whose great crime is to seek to have the resources of his own country benefit Venezuelans.

Yes, let us promote conservation and alternative energy, but let's also make a statement against companies who benefit from foreign occupaton of other countries, and support companies that will benefit the population of their own countries.

Louellyn

Clarification: act on oil prices

I have received a couple of responses to my e-mail suggesting that rather than being concerned about gasoline prices, we should be focusing our energy on conservation and alternative energy.   I think that the point being made is exceptionally important and that conservation and alternative energy should be first and foremost in our minds.

At the same time, Exxon Mobil has been the main beneficiary of the Iraq War.   Under Saddam Hussein, the price and supply of oil was very unstable, and now, since the occupation, with the oil industry under foreign control, Exxon Mobil has made record profits.

I personally am buying Venezuelan gasoline  from Citgo.   The ambassador of Venezuela was on Democracy, Now!  in April talking about the new initiatives around oil scheduled to take affect May 1st.  They have restructured their oil industry such that, while inviting foreign investment, there is always an interest of over 50% that goes to Venezuela.   In cases where a current foreign investor would lose with this deal, they would be compensated, as part of the transition.  Of the 32 foreign companies involved, in one way or another, only one raised objections... Exxon Mobil.  And they have put a lot of energy into efforts to vilify Hugo Chavez, whose great crime is to seek to have the resources of his own country benefit Venezuelans.

Yes, let us promote conservation and alternative energy, but let's also make a statement against companies who benefit from foreign occupaton of other countries, and support companies that will benefit the population of their own countries.

Louellyn

RE: act on oil prices -- an interesting idea!

This is my work email address, please remove me from the mailing list.

Subject: Re: act on oil prices -- an interesting idea!

> Take a look at the following and consider acting upon it and passing
it
> on.... I think the potential for this idea is tremendous. It was
> sent to me by an extremely conservative aunt, making me think that the
> appeal of the idea cuts across a wide political spectrum.

>> GAS WAR - an idea that WILL work

I continue to be offended (sorry) by all of the schemes to avoid
paying what we should really be paying for gasoline. Europe (which,
in most countries, does not subsidize the oil industry the way the US
does) tends to pay well over $5.00 USD per gallon (in most countries),
which is much closer to the true cost of gasoline production. The
only "true scheme" to pay less for a dwindling resource is to
CONSERVE.

George W said that Americans are addicted to oil (the only thing I can
remember agreeing with George Bush about). And, it seems the ~only~
way Americans are ~ever~ going to conserve is to be forced to do so by
paying what we really should be paying, and to drive vehicles that are
more appropriate for the task at hand and for the sake of the world.
Some people do need to drive monstrous vehicles, but those people
should be willing to pay for that use - most of of could and should be
driving vehicles that are much more fuel efficient. We should not be
proud of how big our American vehicles are - we should be embarrassed.

Much more research and development should go into development of
alternative sources of automotive energy, and the funding for that
could and should come from increased gasoline taxes earmarked for such
R&D. The US lags behind much of the world in alternative energy
efforts simply because we never have to really do anything about our
gluttony for fossil fuels. It seems the only times in US history that
any serious discussion over energy have occurred are those times when
we were forced to pay higher (truer) costs or were forced to worry
about where are next tank of precious gasoline is going to come from.

Although American make up only about 5% percent of the world's
population, we consume over 25% of the world's energy. Is this "OK"?

Yes - we should all be "hurting" the Big Oil companies, by buying
~less~ fuel from ~all~ of them ~every~ day of the week.

I'm sorry for the rant (sort of...).

Fred

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Re: act on oil prices -- an interesting idea!

> Take a look at the following and consider acting upon it and passing it
> on.... I think the potential for this idea is tremendous. It was
> sent to me by an extremely conservative aunt, making me think that the
> appeal of the idea cuts across a wide political spectrum.

>> GAS WAR - an idea that WILL work

I continue to be offended (sorry) by all of the schemes to avoid
paying what we should really be paying for gasoline. Europe (which,
in most countries, does not subsidize the oil industry the way the US
does) tends to pay well over $5.00 USD per gallon (in most countries),
which is much closer to the true cost of gasoline production. The
only "true scheme" to pay less for a dwindling resource is to
CONSERVE.

George W said that Americans are addicted to oil (the only thing I can
remember agreeing with George Bush about). And, it seems the ~only~
way Americans are ~ever~ going to conserve is to be forced to do so by
paying what we really should be paying, and to drive vehicles that are
more appropriate for the task at hand and for the sake of the world.
Some people do need to drive monstrous vehicles, but those people
should be willing to pay for that use - most of of could and should be
driving vehicles that are much more fuel efficient. We should not be
proud of how big our American vehicles are - we should be embarrassed.

Much more research and development should go into development of
alternative sources of automotive energy, and the funding for that
could and should come from increased gasoline taxes earmarked for such
R&D. The US lags behind much of the world in alternative energy
efforts simply because we never have to really do anything about our
gluttony for fossil fuels. It seems the only times in US history that
any serious discussion over energy have occurred are those times when
we were forced to pay higher (truer) costs or were forced to worry
about where are next tank of precious gasoline is going to come from.

Although American make up only about 5% percent of the world's
population, we consume over 25% of the world's energy. Is this "OK"?

Yes - we should all be "hurting" the Big Oil companies, by buying
~less~ fuel from ~all~ of them ~every~ day of the week.

I'm sorry for the rant (sort of...).

Fred

act on oil prices -- an interesting idea!

Take a look at the following and consider acting upon it and passing it on....    I think the potential for this idea is tremendous.    It was sent to me by an extremely conservative aunt, making me think that the appeal of the idea cuts across a wide political spectrum.

GAS WAR - an idea that WILL work This was originally sent by a retired Coca Cola executive. It came from one of his engineer buddies who retired from Halliburton. It’s worth your consideration. Join the resistance!!!! I hear we are going to hit close to $4.00 a gallon by next summer and it might go higher!! Want gasoline prices to come down? We need to take some intelligent, united action. Phillip Hollsworth offered this good idea. This makes MUCH MORE SENSE than the "don't buy gas on a certain day" campaign that was going around last April or May! The oil companies just laughed at that because they knew we wouldn't continue to "hurt" ourselves by refusing to buy gas. It was more of an inconvenience to us than it was a problem for them. BUT, whoever thought of this idea has come up with a plan that can really work. Please read on and join with us! By now you're probably thinking gasoline priced at about $1.50 is super cheap. Me too! It is currently $2.79 for regular unleaded in my town. Now that the oil companies and the OPEC nations have conditioned us to think that the cost of a gallon of gas is CHEAP at $1.50 - $1.75, we need to take aggressive action to teach them that BUYERS control the marketplace..... not sellers. With the price of gasoline going up more each day, we consumers need to take action. The only way we are going to see the price of gas come down is if we hit someone in the pocketbook by not purchasing their gas! And, we can do that WITHOUT hurting ourselves. How? Since we all rely on our cars, we can't just stop buying gas. But we CAN have an impact on gas prices if we all act together to force a price war. Here's the idea: For the rest of this year, DON'T purchase ANY gasoline from the two biggest companies (which now are o n e), EXXON and MOBIL. If they are not selling any gas, they will be inclined to reduce their prices. If they reduce their prices, the other companies will have to follow suit. But to have an impact, we need to reach literally millions of Exxon and Mobil gas buyers. It's really simple to do! Now, don't wimp out at this point.... keep reading and I'll explain how simple it is to reach millions of people. I am sending this note to 30 people. If each of us sends it to at least ten more (30 x 10 =3D 300) ... and those 300 send it to at least ten more (300 x 10 =3D 3,000)...and so on, by the time the message reaches the sixth group of people, we will have reached over THREE MILLION consumers. I f those three million get excited and pass this on to ten friends each, then 30 million people will have been contacted! If it goes one level further, you guessed it..... THREE HUNDRED MILLION PEOPLE!!! Again, all you have to do is send this to 10 people. That's all. (If you don't understand how we can reach 300 million and all you have to do is send this to 10 people...Well, let's face it, you just aren't a mathematician. But I am, so trust me on this one.) How long would all that take? If each of us sends this e-mail out to ten more people within one day of receipt, all 300 MILLION people could conceivably be contacted within the next 8 days!!! I'll bet you didn't think you and I had that much potential, did you? Acting together we can make a difference. If this makes sense to you, please pass this message on. I suggest that we not buy from EXXON/MOBIL UNTIL THEY LOWER THEIR PRICES TO THE $1.30 RANGE AND KEEP THEM DOWN. THIS CAN REALLY WORK.

Fw: Action Alert: supplemental vote this week-Rep. Delahunt has a third chance to vote NO

This just in.

 

I've emailed Mr. Delahunt, thanking him and urging him to hold the line.

 

Peace,

 

Ted

----- Original Message -----

From: Diane Turco

To: ccpj-news@lists.riseup.net

Cc: THEODORE A. CURTIN ; clarkland@verizon.net ; Fayegeorge236@aol.com ; June M. Freedman ; nleewood@netzero.net ; S.G.Wall ; ae-talk@lists.riseup.net

Sent: Tuesday, May 22, 2007 7:09 PM

Subject: Action Alert: supplemental vote this week-Rep. Delahunt has a third chance to vote NO

Forward Widely!

 

1.  This week, the Dems will vote on yet another version of war funding as an 'emergency supplemental' bill.  On this 3rd vote, if it passes, President Bush will get all the funding he has requested to continue the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.  Call Rep. Delahunt and insist on a vote NO on the supplemental funding.  A NO vote would be consistent with his YES vote on the McGovern bill and his NO vote on the National Defense Authorization Bill which passed the House 397-27 (see below) and his verbal committment to a NO vote at the Provincetown meeting in January.  Bring the troops home.  End the funding, end the war.  Support human needs.  BASTA! peace, Diane

 

Call DC-202-225-3111

 

 

Democrats Drop Insistence on Iraq Withdrawal Timeline
    By Noam Levey
    The Los Angeles Times

    Tuesday 22 May 2007

The major concession to the president on the war spending bill comes as leaders in Congress cannot muster veto-proof majorities.

    Washington - Scrambling to send President Bush an emergency war spending bill he will sign, Democratic leaders have decided to drop their insistence on a timeline for withdrawing U.S. forces from Iraq.

    The move - which comes just days after senior Democrats insisted that White House officials should support nonbinding timelines - is a significant concession to the president and his Republican allies on Capitol Hill, who steadfastly have rejected any dates for bringing U.S. troops home.

    But it reflects the simple mathematics of a closely divided Congress in which Democrats cannot muster veto-proof majorities for any proposal that would compel a pullout.

    Democratic lawmakers are under pressure to send the president an emergency spending bill before the Memorial Day break or risk being blamed for withholding critical funding for U.S. troops.

    Under the developing Democratic plan, which leaders still are negotiating, Congress would fund the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq through Sept. 30, the end of the current fiscal year, according to sources familiar with the proposal.

    Democrats also are working to include a minimum-wage hike in the funding bill in an effort to push that long-delayed legislative priority into law.

    But further discussion of withdrawal timelines that have been central to the Democratic legislative campaign to end the war would have to be delayed until Congress considers other legislation, probably the defense appropriations bill necessary to fund the military for fiscal year 2008, which begins Oct. 1. Democrats plan to take up that bill later this summer.

    More immediately, Democratic leaders must rally majorities for an emergency spending bill that might be deeply disappointing to the party's most vehement war critics.

    Many members of the House's influential Out of Iraq Caucus have said they will not support any legislation that does not attach strict conditions to the continued deployment of U.S. troops.

    And as recently as Friday, the top two Democrats in Congress, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi of San Francisco and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid of Nevada, insisted on a nonbinding timeline at a meeting with top White House officials.

    White House chief of staff Joshua B. Bolten emphatically rejected any timelines at the meeting, signaling White House support only for a far less restrictive proposal linking economic aid to the performance of the Iraqi government.

    That approach, which senior Democrats are looking at incorporating into the bill being finalized this week, has won broad support among GOP lawmakers.

    Last week, 52 senators, including 44 Republicans, voted to support a similar proposal sponsored by GOP Sens. John W. Warner of Virginia and Susan Collins of Maine.

    Rep. Roy Blunt of Missouri, the second-ranking Republican in the House, said Monday that such a proposal might be attractive to GOP members of the House as well.

    Meanwhile, Rep. Jan Schakowsky, D-Ill., a leading war critic and member of the Out of Iraq Caucus, said Monday she would be looking for Democratic leaders to explain when timelines will be passed if they are not part of the emergency spending bill.

  ********************************************************************************************************

2. Thank Rep. Delahunt for this vote!!!  A sign of leadership- the majority voted against!   Rep. Delahunt is in good company with Lee, Woolsey, and Kucinich among others.

 

 

Recent House Votes

National Defense Authorization Act - Vote Passed (397-27, 8 Not Voting) The House passed this bill authorizing $504 billion in Defense Department spending and $142 billion for military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan for the upcoming fiscal year. Rep. William Delahunt voted NO......send e-mail or see bio

 

Scituate School Committee votes 5-0 to move military recruiters from the cafeteria to Guidance!

Friends --


Yesterday evening, the citizens of Scituate scored a major victory in protecting our children from military recruiters.   The recruiters who previously set up among students in the cafeteria are now limited to the Guidance Office.  This effort was a few months in the making, and the critical factor  was having the committee hear from so many of their constituents within the community.

Several of us have been working with the American Friends Service Committee to implement the same restrictions state wide.  We had a hearing at the State House earlier this month, which went very well, and yet House Bill 562 does not have much activity right now, because our state senators and repersentatives need to hear from you, and know that you are concerned about this.  Please see the attached document which contains more information, and consider sending an e-mail to your state senator and representative.   It makes a big difference.   Also if you could forward on this e-mail to your own distribution lists, that would be very helpful!



Louellyn Lambros

Memorial Vigil Coverage in the Patriot Ledger

Well, the vigil was covered by Mat Lynch of the Patriot Ledger:

http://ledger.southofboston.com/articles/2007/05/21/news/news09.txt

I was, however, disappointed that he did not use any of my photos - he
asked me to send him some, and I did, but... Oh, well - the important
thing BY FAR is that the vigil got favorable coverage, so that even
people who didn't know about it may now know about it (and think about
it, which is the important thing, right?).

Fred

Hello

From The Desk Of Malcam Naaman.
Bill and Exchange Manager
CAJA DE FORTUNA BANK (FOREIGN PAYMENT AND PROCEESING CENTRE)
Calle Vizcaya 2 Atocha,28045 Madrid Spain

ATTN.

With due respect and humility, I write to you this proposal.I am the Manager of bill and exchange at the foreign remittance department of Caja De Fortuna Banco in Madrid. I am writing following the impressive information about you, l got your contact in my quest for a reliabe and capable person to assist me in this deal.

Though I know that a business of this magnitude will make any one apprehensive, but I am assuring you that all will be well at the end of the day. We have decided to contact you by email due to the urgency of this "deal", as we have been reliably informed of your honesty and ability in a transaction of this nature.

In my department we discovered an abandoned sum of US$30m dollars (THIRTY Million US dollars) in an account that belongs to one of our foreign customer (MR. ANDREAS SCHRANNER from Munich, Germany) who died along with his entire family in July 2000 in a plane crash.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/859479.stm

About his death, we have been expecting his next of kin to come forward and claim his money because we cannot release it unless somebody applies for it as next of kin or relation to the deceased as indicated in our banking guidelines and policies but unfortunately we learnt that all his supposed next of kin or relation died alongside with him at the ugly plane crash leaving nobody behind for the claims. It is therefore upon this discovery that I have decided to make this businness proposal to you to transact this DEAL with you and to act as the next of kin or relation to the deceased for safety and subsequent disbursement since nobody is coming forth and l dont want this money to go into the Bank treasury as unclaimed Bill.

According to our Banking policies and guideline here which stipulates that if such money remained unclaimed after five years,the money will automatically be transfered into the Bank treasury as unclaimed fund. My request for a foreigner to ac t as next of kin in this business is by the fact that the customer was a foreigner and a citizen of this country cannot stand or put claims as next of kin to a foreigner. l agreed to offer 30% of the total fund to you, for your assistance, to act as the next of Kin to the foreigner,to provide account, 10% will be for reimbursement of any expenses incured during the curse of the transaction.

There after, I and my family will visit your country for disbursement and for investment in your country. Therefore to enable the immediate transfer of this fund to you as arranged, you must apply first to the bank as relation or next of kin of the deceased indicating your bank name, your bank account number, your private telephone and fax number for easier and effective
communication and location where the money will be transfer. Upon receipt of your reply, I will send to you by fax or email the text of the application. I will not fail to bring to your notice that this transaction is hitch free and that you should not entertain any atom of fear as all required arrangements have been made for the transfer.

Let truth and honesty be our watchword in this transaction while I look forward to receiving your immediate response.

Yours faithfully,
Malcam Naaman

Bridge Vigil on Memorial Day

Dear Friends,

 

Initial responses are positive that we might do a two-hour bridge vigil on Memorial Day, from 12 to 2.

 

Here's a thought: This might be easier if people stood vigil on the overpass nearest to their homes, and we can provide some signs, most with a PEACE motif. If you make your own signs (they are easy to make with poster board),letters must be big and bold, at least 6 - 8 inches tall, 2 inches thick, to be seen from speeding cars below; and message should be short, for the same reason.

 

Let's hear from you!

 

Peace,

 

Ted

Photos from the 5/19/07 Memorial Vigil

Hello.

To view photos of the Memorial Vigil on the Training Green in Plymouth
from 5/19/07 -

http://fredw.smugmug.com/gallery/2602961#154154467

(If you want to see just thumbnail photos to select which ones to view
in a larger size, select "all thumbs" in the "style:" dropdown box
near the upper right corner of the SmugMug window.)

Thanks to all the dedicated people who made the memorial possible.

Fred (Frederick Wasti)

Fw: Overpass prayerful demonstration against the war on Memorial Day

Any comments or ideas?

Ted

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ellen Snoeyenbos" <ellens8@yahoo.com>
To: "nancy landgren" <clarkland@verizon.net>; "Pine duBois"
<pine@jonesriver.org>; "Ron Maribett" <ron_maribett@hotmail.com>; "Paul
Bourque" <pbourque@comcast.net>; "THEODORE A. CURTIN"
<tacurtin@verizon.net>; "diane grant" <dgrant9437@yahoo.com>; "Judy Randall"
<info@KingstonUU.org>; "rosemary donahoe" <bdonahoe17@yahoo.com>; "Davalene
Cooper" <davalenecooper@aol.com>; "Nancy Doyle" <ncarolynd@verizon.net>;
"Carie Johnsen" <cjohnsen@uusc.org>; "rachel jordan" <rbinderman@uusc.org>;
"Elizabeth J. Kenyon" <teched1@cox.net>; "Marilyn McDermott"
<m.marilynmcdermott@verizon.net>; "Carol Norman" <mworld@comcast.net>;
"Leonard Nowak" <nowak2@adelphia.net>; "Susan Robinson"
<artsue45@hotmail.com>; "Donna Savicki" <dsavicki@comcast.net>; "Ellen
Snoeyenbos" <ellens8@yahoo.com>; "Karen Trais" <karen@tenhoor.com>;
"Barnstable UU Church" <buu@barnstableuu.org>; "Duxbury UU Church"
<uuduxbury@verizon.net>; "Fairhaven UU church" <uufairhaven@aol.com>;
"Murray UU Church" <murray.ch@verizon.net>; "Norwell UU Church"
<office@firstparishnorwell.org>; "Providence UU Church"
<admin@firstunitarianprov.org>; "Old Ship Church UU Hingham"
<oldship@verizon.net>; "Cindie White" <dresdenisfree@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, May 18, 2007 10:23 AM
Subject: Overpass prayerful demonstration against the war on Memorial Day

> Hi folks,
> A number of us are talking about doing a short
> overpass demonstration on Memorial Day from 12 - 2
> p.m. to remind people that the best way to honor the
> fallen warriors is to de-escalate the Iraq war. A
> prayerful, respectful presence would be in order.
>
> Please get the word out about doing this with your
> churches, neighboring churches and/or townspeople and
> let us know what your plans might be. It would be
> great to have a continuous Route 3 (at least) presence
> from the Cape to Boston...
>
> As of May 16, 2007: (US Military count)
> American dead: 3401
> American wounded: 25,245
>
> British medical journal, Lancet, reports:
> Iraqi deaths: 655,000 since war began through 2006.
>
> (These numbers are in contrast to US and British
> military estimates but the survey was done by Iraqi
> physicians and overseen by epidemiologists at Johns
> Hopkins University's Bloomberg School of Public
> Health, who stand by the scientific credibility of
> their methodology.)
> See Washington Post article:
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/10/10/AR2006101001442.html
>
> 2 million Iraqis have fled their country.
> Newsweek article:
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17997100/site/newsweek/
>
> Thanks,
> Ellen
>
>
>
>
>
> Ellen Snoeyenbos
> 106 South Street
> Halifax, MA 02338
> 781-294-1091 home
> 781-934-2721 x106 work
>
>
>
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Vigil Report, May 19, 2007

Dear Friends in Peace,

 

Though the moisture in the air led to cancellation of our vigil in Shirley Square, I want to report on today's Memorial Vigil on the Training Green.

 

Hearty thanks to Irene Caldwell and her dedicated band at First Parish, Unitarian-Universalist, Social Action Committee, who planned, engineered and presented a moving memorial tribute in memory of all who have fallen in the current war. Hundreds of white crosses, sprinkled with a few stars of David and star and crescent markers, each representing more than ten fallen servicemen and women, stretched away in even lines reminiscent of Arlington Cemetery. The two inner rows bore the names of the Massachusetts dead, 57 at the latest Defense Department accounting, including that of Plymouth's own Lance Corporal Jeffrey Burgess, USMC. A placard bore witness to the deaths of Iraqi civilians.

 

At intervals during the four-hour tribute, the names of our state's dead were solemnly announced, and a folk-singer sang appropriate songs. Despite the foul weather, people came and wandered among the markers,thinking of the losses and the grieving families. We wish more people had come. The closing ceremonies included reflections and prayers from local clergy and others, and a final reading of the names.

 

We congratulate Irene and her group for their ingenuity and their perseverance in bringing this impressive tribute to Plymouth, as we join her in regret that the weather put a damper on this well-prepared and well-advertised event.

 

Sincerely, in peace,

 

Ted

 

 

Vigil Reminder, May 19, 2007

Dear Friends,

 

The forecast right now, on Weather Channel local for Plymouth says "Few Showers" with 30 percent chance of precipitation. Following usual procedure, if it's pouring near noontime, vigil is canceled.

 

Some of us will, if weather permits, be working at the Training Green to set up the special Memorial Vigil to those who have fallen in the current wars, and taking part when it begins at 10:00 AM. Hope you will attend sometime during the day.

 

Weather permitting, I'll be at Shirley Square with the signs at Noon.

 

Hope the weather clears so that we'll see you somewhere tomorrow.

 

Peace,

 

Ted

Re: Vigil Reminder, May 12, 2007

Six of us enjoyed the beautiful weather at Shirley Square this noon time, at an almost completely silent vigil.  Ted and Grace were missed.  We would love to see more people show up, especially now that it is not a hardship to stand for an hour (neither too cold nor too hot).  We had a lot of positive responses.  The Gatra Bus driver gave a thumbs up (haven't seen our old, thumbs down, friend in a while!).  We had an old timer drive by who yelled "remember Pearl Harbor"!  Don't know if it was the same person who did this months (?) ago.  Then, reportedly, the same fellow drove back; this time stopping his vehicle at the 1st post (thereby impeding motor traffic).  He first asked for directions; then asked if we knew what Purgatory was ! !  Go figure ! !   I wasn't witness to this as I was standing north, where usually, Grace stands.

Eileen

 

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: THEODORE A. CURTIN

To: Wil Curtis ; Virginia Wilcox ; Ted & Grace Curtin ; Ted & Barbara Bosen ; Steve Kerr ; Sarah Clark ; Sarah Altherr ; Ruth Blake ; Ruth Betty Shippee ; ROBERT LEAVER ; Paula Marcoux ; Melissa Bowering ; McGonagle, Cecelia ; Mary Farrell ; Marie Fehlow ; Louellyn Lambros ; Lois & Doug Post ; Larry Erickson ; John Bates ; John & Dianne Pinto ; Jennifer Yaeger ; Jeanne Lane ; Jean O'Brien ; Jan Nigro ; Irene Caldwell ; Gail Begley ; Fred Wasti ; Frank Mand ; Fae Smelser ; Ellen Snoeyenbos ; Elaine Ganska ; Eileen McElhinney ; Donnamarie Kavanah ; Donna Camy ; Diane Kuhn ; Delia Cosentino ; Claire Power ; Christy Roman ; Bob & Lois Saba ; Ben McKelway ; Barbara P. Ward ; Barbara Brooks ; Ann Archambault ; Aileen Chase ; Blog for Peace

Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 7:35 PM

Subject: Vigil Reminder, May 12, 2007

Dear Friends,

 

The weather report indicates nice weather for tomorrow.

 

We will be out of town at a family gathering. Hope you can make it to Shirley Sq. at noon.

 

Sincerely, in peace,

 

Ted

Re: Vigil Reminder, May 19, 2007: Our schedule is listed.

Hello Peacemakers,

 

If you are helping, I need to have confirmation so I can plan.  We have changed set up to 8AM.  I am thinking it should take about 1 - 1 1/2 hours to do this.  That should give us time to duck into a restaurant and get coffee and breakfast before our 10 AM opening.

 

Tear down will begin 15 minutes after the last speaker.  We have received $150 thus far for the memorial markers.  Our original crew has narrowed with changing Spring schedules so if you are available, we can use the help for set up.  Tear down should be easy. 

 

We are looking for someone to help Diane read names throughout the morning.

 

We have a good musical sound system, if you are a musician we still have times available for you to sign up in 15, 30 and 45 minute increments. 

 

I am expecting a wide breath of clergy to offer healing prayers and/or make comments.  One soldier's family has told me of their intention to come and speak.   Many of the people who signed on for the 4th Anniversary Vigil appear to be busy, so it remains to be seen who will actually come.

 

If you cannot make it on SAturday and want to send your words so that someone else can read them, that would be great.

 

Remember, this is a time for community healing and solidarity and grieving.  Hope you will be with us. 

 

In peace, Irene Caldwell 508-747-3760  cell 774-454-3361

 

In peace, Irene Caldwell 508-747-3760 

 

Thanks, Irene
 

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Re: To Honor and Bear Witness to the Fallen and Wounded of the Iraq War: May 19th 10 - 2 PM. Training Green, Plymouth

caldwell irene <ivcaldwell@yahoo.com> wrote:

Memorial Vigil: Training Green, Plymouth:  To Honor and Bear Witness to the Fallen and Wounded of the Iraq War: May 19th 10 - 2 PM.

 

There is still time to sign up to speak, play music, help set up or tear down, come up with suggestions on how to make this a "gentle, solemn, and dignified" memorial to all who have lost their lives or been wounded in this war.  Speakers begin at 1 PM.  For musicians,  you just need to sign up for a time. 

 

In Peace, Irene Caldwell 508-747-3760



"THEODORE A. CURTIN" <tacurtin@verizon.net> wrote:

Dear Friends,

 

The weather report indicates nice weather for tomorrow.

 

We will be out of town at a family gathering. Hope you can make it to Shirley Sq. at noon.

 

Sincerely, in peace,

 

Ted

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Re: Vigil Reminder, May 12, 2007

Memorial Vigil: Training Green, Plymouth:  To Honor and Bear Witness to the Fallen and Wounded of the Iraq War: May 19th 10 - 2 PM.

 

There is still time to sign up to speak, play music, help set up or tear down, come up with suggestions on how to make this a "gentle, solemn, and dignified" memorial to all who have lost their lives or been wounded in this war.  Speakers begin at 1 PM.  For musicians,  you just need to sign up for a time. 

 

In Peace, Irene Caldwell 508-747-3760



"THEODORE A. CURTIN" <tacurtin@verizon.net> wrote:

Dear Friends,

 

The weather report indicates nice weather for tomorrow.

 

We will be out of town at a family gathering. Hope you can make it to Shirley Sq. at noon.

 

Sincerely, in peace,

 

Ted

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Vigil Reminder, May 12, 2007

Dear Friends,

 

The weather report indicates nice weather for tomorrow.

 

We will be out of town at a family gathering. Hope you can make it to Shirley Sq. at noon.

 

Sincerely, in peace,

 

Ted

Re: Memorial Vigil 10 - 2 PM, May 19th, Rain date May 20th. TRaining Green, Plymouth

Dear Friends in Peace,

 

We hope you will be participating in Plymouth's own Memorial Vigil to Honor the Fallen and Wounded of the Iraq War including people of all countries. 300 Memorial Markers will be erected with a special section for our Massachusetts soldiers.  Markers may be adopted for $10 a piece with checks made payable to Disabled American Veterans or Massachusetts Families Speak Out.  Checks should be mailed to Social Action Committee, First Parish, 19 Town Square, Plymouth.  We are looking for speakers and musicians.  Speakers are at 1 PM.  Musicians may play at a time of their choosing.

 

Also please contact your US Representatives about our soldiers needing an Outpatient Clinic In Plymouth.  This was approved and funded and then ? things changed.  WE are told only public input will put this back on the burner.  Thank you.  Irene 

 

Please forward this reminder to your network of friends.

 

Respectfully,

 

 

Irene Caldwell,

Social Action Committee

First Parish

"THEODORE A. CURTIN" <tacurtin@verizon.net> wrote:

Dear Friends,

 

It was great to be back on station again, 11 of us altogether, on a fine mild day in Shirley Square.

 

I'm afraid I was a bit of a chatterbox, catching up with what had been happening, but breaking the silence of our vigil. Sorry about that. So I'm reminding myself and all of us that we have agreed to stand in silence, not chatting and not responding to people except to give a quiet answer to a sincere question about our vigil.

 

See you next week. Peace,

 

Ted

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Vigil Report, May 5, 2007

Dear Friends,

 

It was great to be back on station again, 11 of us altogether, on a fine mild day in Shirley Square.

 

I'm afraid I was a bit of a chatterbox, catching up with what had been happening, but breaking the silence of our vigil. Sorry about that. So I'm reminding myself and all of us that we have agreed to stand in silence, not chatting and not responding to people except to give a quiet answer to a sincere question about our vigil.

 

See you next week. Peace,

 

Ted

Vigil Reminder, May 5, 2007

Hi Friends,

 

We're back with you, and expecting a fine day tomorrow.

 

Hope to see you at noon in Shirley Square.

 

Peace,

 

Ted

First Parish Plymouth Vigil: Your are urged to participate: May 19 Training Green: Please Forward to your groups

Dear Friends In Peace,

 

The Social Action Committee of First Parish Church, Plymouth has rescheduled the Memorial Vigil to Honor and Bear Witness to The Fallen and Wounded of the Iraq War for May 19th from 10 to 2 PM., with a raindate of May 20th.   Speakers are scheduled for 1 PM.    Originally scheduled for  the Fourth Anniversary of the Start of the Iraq War, the Vigil was cancelled due to rain.  This May date allows the community to come together, to grieve as a group and to bear witness to all that has happened.  We hope you will consider visiting our recreated cemetary and we ask that you forward our letter and the flyer to your network of people.  

 

This is a gentle, solemn and dignified vigil. 300 Memorial Markers will be erected  A special section of memorial markers will bear the names of the fallen Massachusetts soldiers.  The remaining markers will represent the people of the world who have died in this conflict.   

• We urge you to participate and to help plan this event.
  
•  Musicians are urged to plan to participate.  You may set up in one corner of the field or you may walk  within the recreated cemetary. Should you choose to play, we are asking that you register for an assigned time so that we may accomodate all those who wish to play.
  
• Speakers must register.  If you wish to speak, speeches should be short,and limited to two minutes. Special guest speakers representing participating groups may have more time. 
  
• Markers may be adopted for $10/marker with checks made payable to Disabled American Veterans or Military Families Speak Out.    Checks should be mailed to First Parish, 19 Town Square, Plymouth, Ma. or you may bring them to the Vigil.  To date we have raised $150.
• We are supporting the efforts of many in the Military Community including Disabled American Veterans to open an outpatient clinic in Plymouth.  This has been approved and funded but not implemented.  We urge you to contact your representatives reguarding this important issue.  The holdup seems to be in the planning process and whether or not the clinic opening must wait for a total review of the VA Hospital system.  In the meantime our local soldiers urgently need your support.  The more this Clinic receives attention from you, the local citizen, the sooner our soldiers will have local medical support. As you know from your own personal experience, the further you must travel, the less likely you are to get attention in a timely manner.  The sooner that medical issues are addressed, the less costly, both medically and financially, they become. 

Please contact me.  We can really use your energies now,  no matter how limited, to make this a really significant Vigil, one that honors and pays homage to all.

 

Respectfully,

 

Irene Caldwell, Social Action Committee, First Parish, Plymouth

Home number - 508-747-3760 

 

 

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4/28/07 Vigil Report

> The Weather Channel is forecasting a cloudy Saturday with showers
> later in the day. Fred and I will be at Shirley Square tomorrow at
> noon with the signs. If the rains hold off, we will vigil until 1
> PM.

Today, on the 1500th day of the Iraq War, seven of us "braved" the
bright sun and the pleasant temperatures to stand up for Peace in
Shirley Square today. Most responses were positive, with (to my
knowledge) no really strong negatives noted (a smattering of negative
head shakes and the occasional thumbs down, but that's about it).

"Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the battle of Iraq,
the United States and our allies have prevailed." [George W. Bush,
5/1/2003]

Mission Accomplished ???

It is now 4/28/2007.

Number of days since the start of the Iraq War (3/20/2003) = 1500

Days since the declaration of "Mission Accomplished" (5/1/2003) = 1457

Number of US soldiers killed since the start of the Iraq War = 3337

US soldiers killed since "Mission Accomplished" was declared = 3197

:-|

Fred